I am getting quite a few hits on my Blog from people using the above terms. Since I have had several goats with this over the last three years I thought I would share my experiences. I will say right now that I AM NOT A VET so anything I say here must be taken as the experience of a layman. If you wish to do as I have done then you should consult your vet first. If your vet knows little or nothing about goats then he/she should talk to the Goat Veterinary Society for guidance. They are always up to speed on what is acceptable usage of drugs in goats.
Can I ask, that if anyone does use the regime I recommend here they let me know the result? The more we can share experiences the better for the welfare of all our animals.
In my experience here, Listeriosis in the goat is dramatic and usually fatal. I have found it extremely hard to save adults but easier to save kids. Both CAN can be saved but the method which works here is time consuming and expensive so this won’t be for every situation. It also depends on how quickly you realise what is going on. You have very little time to decide; it is such a quick process. It can be as little as 6 hours from first symptom to death so if you suspect Listeriosis then don’t say “I’ll see how she is in the morning!” If you have valuable stock or a treasured pet then its worth trying to save them. If you have an old lady near the end of her useful life then it would be kinder to the animal to have it put down swiftly. They can and do suffer a great deal of pain in this condition and the drug regime itself is not pleasant.
While mentioning putting down or euthanasing goats, can I put in a plea that owners ask their vets to use Somulose? This is the drug normally used to destroy horses. Goats respond instantly to Somulose meaning a peaceful, swift and pain free end. In my bitter experience, the other chemicals usually used by farm vets for sheep etc have limited effect on goats and mean the poor beasts can take many painful minutes to die. Please ask your vet to use Somulose. It will cost you a pound or two more as the drug is expensive, but the lack of suffering is more than enough compensation. A bullet between the horns from the local kennel man would be even better as there is of course no injection.
I must make it clear that I’m talking here about the Listeriosis which manifests as brain disease. The other typical scenario presents as abortion. I have never had that here fortunately. Septicaemia (blood poisoning) CAN occur with both main presentations .
Remember that Listeria can cause disease in humans so if you suspect it then for goodness sake, take precautions. Wear gloves and wash your hands etc.
What causes it?
Listeria Monocytogenes is the bacterium. It lives pretty much everywhere you find soil. Commonly it is picked up by the goat eating haylage or silage which was made in less than ideal conditions and contaminated by mud while it was being baled. Hay, being dry, is not such a risk. Wrapped bales of haylage or silage are a danger and if possible, goats should not be fed pickled grass at all. However, most bigger farmers like myself have no choice and we must therefore be vigilant.
It is not the only cause. I had one adult die as a result of grazing around freshly disturbed ground. The badgers had been turning over turf looking for earthworms. No silage was involved.
The incubation period for Listeria infection is about 2 weeks – a very long time. So any suspicious signs should immediately make you think back to where your animals were and what they were eating a couple of weeks before. If they have been inside eating nothing but good dry hay for the last six weeks then Listeria is still possible but not perhaps top of the list of suspects!!
What are the symptoms?
These vary a little depending on the age of your goat.All symptoms are the result of brain damage and inflammation generally on one side. The opposite side of the animal will be affected. In my cashmere flock here, this is what I have seen:
Kids
Drooling saliva
Inability to open the mouth and chew – grass etc remains in the mouth and is hard to remove!!
Lop sided/drooping ear on the affected side
Any of these symptoms in a kid here will set warning bells ringing in me.
If you miss these signs it progresses very quickly to head tilt where the head turns to one side back along the flank, and recumbancy, where the animals lies down and can’t get up.
Symptoms in the adult
I have not observed drooling or lop sided ears in the adult. The earliest symptom here seems to be the inability to walk a straight line. Walking behind your flock when moving them from a to b you should always check carefully anyone walking persistently to one side. Their heads are going forward but their legs are taking them sideways! At this early stage you may also note other animals bullying the sick one. It’s nature’s cruel way of driving away sick animals which might attract predators to the flock. Anyone being bullied should be watched carefully for a while after you have separated it out. Goats sense illness before symptoms might be visible.
If you miss this, the next stage seems to be head tilt. Full circling, where the goat turns round and round, only happens here if the goats are stressed. I don’t see it very often. Only one of mine has shown this as a major symptom in a stressless situation.
The final stage is lying down, head completely tilted and paddling or thrashing about. At this point the goat is nearly gone and may be crying from pain. Not a pretty sight and you should call for swift help to end the animal’s suffering. Only once have I saved an animal at this point and he was still able to get up – just! If your animal cannot stand then put it down. It’s kindest in the end.
Treatment
I say again that this is MY method, worked out with the blessing of my vet. You MUST consult your own vet before doing anything to your own animals.
Antibiotics are essential but you must use one which crosses the blood/brain barrier and gets right into the Central Nervous System quickly. You must also use much higher doses than normal for very much longer.
Here we use Duphapen, a penicillin antibiotic. For kids I use 5ml twice a day. For adults I use 5ml every six hours but with a first dose of 10ml. These doses are massive. In the adults it is absolutely essential to inject everty six hours in order to keep the level of the drug constantly high in the bloodstream. Any slight drop and the goat will quickly go down hill. I learned that the hard way having spent 2 days on the 6 hour routine I dropped to 3x a day. The goat went down hill again and I reintroduced the 4 th dose to good effect.
For kids I find 3 or 4 days is usually enough and then I go down to once a day and continue to day 10 at least. They seem to respond much more quickly than adults.
For adults it can be 4 days on every 6 hours, 3 days on 3times a day, a week on twice a day and then a 3rd week on once a day. It is a very long and difficult job. I often run out of places to inject, the goat becomes so bruised. It is NOT something to undertake lightly since in some ways the cure is worse than allowing nature to take its course.
Alongside all this we dose with a painkilling anti-inflammatory (usually Metacam) and of course, we have to stomach tube with fluid and electrolytes for those goats which cannot manage to drink.
This has been a very long post but I hope it might help a few to manage this awful disease. I cannot stress too much that I AM NOT A VET. You must seek advice from your own vet before doing anything.
Finally, here is a photo of my poorly buck from spring this year. He survived Listeriosis and is about to go in with his females to breed. He’s a little smaller because of his illness but is raring to go!! Under stress he will still circle a little so clearly has a small amount of remaining brain damage, but he’s otherwisew very fit and well. Here is another link to a video of him two weeks into his antibiotics treatment. This is the first day he was able to eat. He and I were so pleased! The background noise is a hen laying an egg!!



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By: Listeriosis in Goats | All Things Goat on November 2, 2009
at 12:40 am
I do believe my goat has this she is 6 months old and I need some advice/help so far this is the only website with valuable information please let me know if you can it has been 3 days she had a shot of B1 is on pencillion and is ok what ito feed would be a great answer since she cannot eat hay/grain how long does this disease last and what is the long term of the disease???? Alot more ??? I have if you have the time to answer.
Thanks
By: Shelley Kear on August 16, 2010
at 11:09 pm
Hello Shelley,
My goats when they get this often cannot eat becasue they cannot physically chew. You must make sure the animal gets enough electrolyte solution. This can be given by a syringe into the corner of the mouth. Start slow because you must make sure they are swallowing and the fluid is not just going into their lungs. If they cannot swallow reliably but still look as thought they have a chance then you can stomach tube twice a day. If they get enough fluids they can last for several days without eating. Fresh grass or their favourite leaves is the best thing to offer when they have improved a little and can chew.
The length of the disease is surprising. The buck in this piece above was ill for 3 weeks. Others have been luckier and got over it in about 10 days. It’s important to keep going with the penicillin and not step down on the dose too quickly. It has a habit of coming back very fast if you step down too early.
Hope this helps a bit. Good luck!
By: devonfinefibres on August 17, 2010
at 4:13 am
Hi
Can anyone please advise if it is ok to eat the meat of the goat having such disease (Listeriosis)?
We have to slaughter our goat on this eid festival tomorrow? can we eat the meat of it?
Your urgent responses will be much appreciated.
Thanks!
By: Ahmad on November 6, 2011
at 5:14 am
If the goat is sick right now then no. Listeria bacteria will be circulating in the blood stream and pose an infection risk. You should be aware of this even when caring for the goat. If you are not treating it with antibiotics it will probably be dead by tomorrow anyway. If you are treating it with antibiotics then you cannot eat the meat because of the medication. I would strongly advise you to get the animal seen by a veterinary surgeon if you have not already done so and to find another animal to slaughter tomorrow.
By: devonfinefibres on November 6, 2011
at 5:21 am
I am so glad to have stumbled across this post. I just had a goat die of this illness, and when I first found her in the corner of her pen I thought she had had a stroke. It was way too late for treatment and we are too far away from the nearest goat vet to take her at that hour. Vets here do not make house calls. So, we sat with her and tried to comfort her as much as we could. She passed quickly. Thanks for posting the warning signs. Now we can keep a vigilant watch on the other one in case she starts showing symptoms.
By: Carmel Portillo on November 21, 2011
at 11:10 pm
I am so sorry to hear you lost your poor girl. You did all you could for her. Perhaps your vet would let you have a bottle of penicilin to keep in your refidgerator just in case there is another one?
By: devonfinefibres on November 22, 2011
at 5:32 am
I have only just stumbled on this site. We have had two pedigree suffolk sheep with this disease in the last 14 days. The first was treated straight away by the vet but who mistook it for menangitis which it has similar syptoms. She didnt last last more than two days but when the second become ill with the same symptoms the vet said it must be some kind of poison that had gone to the brain. He is an excellent vet and it is so hard to detect but he treated the ewe lamb with string antibiotics straight into the vein and although her tempreture came down she was still unable to eat and drink properly herself. She striggled to stand and kept goinbg around to the right and stumbling. The vet advised for us to have her put to sleep and get an ortopsy done to safe guard the rest of the ewe lambs. This is how we found out what it is and the cause was the recent floods in the fields from the river. Although the water had receeded it had left the organism and with the lambs stasrting to push up their molers the bacteria was able to get in through the abrations in their mouths from their teeth cutting through. Then going to the brain. Needless to say it was heart breaking, but has taught us something else to watch out for in the future.
By: m sivill on July 10, 2012
at 7:31 pm
ps does anyone know the lifespan of this bacteria in the soil or by what means it can be removed. Thanks
By: m sivill on July 10, 2012
at 7:32 pm
Sorry to here your troubles. Listeriosis in any animal is horrible to watch and unless you and your vet a) recognise it instantly and b) act very fast you will lose the animal. Soil left after flooding is absolutely classic for the bacteria and young teething sheep are often victims because of the easy access to their blood stream through their gums.
No there is no way you can remove this from the soil. Its a normal soil commensal – ie its part of the normal bacterial life of the soil as are the Clostridial bacteria which cause Tetanus for example. All you can do is be vigilant and, if you know there might be problems because of severe weather and mud, make sure you keep a bottle of penicillin in the fridge ready to act as soon as you suspect the symptoms.
By: devonfinefibres on July 11, 2012
at 4:52 am
Hi. Thankyou for your reply we will keep some just in case. I hope we dont have any more it’s not fair on the little lambs.
By: m sivill on July 12, 2012
at 12:15 pm
I have just had an eighteen month old Boer doe go down with this terrible condition, my vet too mis diagnosed but I was insistent that I wanted her treated for listeriosis. She is now 48 hours in and no better if i’m honest but no worse either. I too am running out of injection sites and struggling to get fluids into her as her swallow reflex is very poor. I would be grateful if any more people who have had success at treating this condition would post as I am struggling to remain hopeful.
By: C Shaw on August 10, 2012
at 8:13 am
Hi Chloe,
Can you get a tube down her throat? Then you can put in fluid very easily and its far less stressful for her and you. Have you ever tubed a lmab or kid? Its a v useful skill. Your vet can do it first time and then if you repeat twice a day thats the job done. Put electrolyte solution into her – not just water. I use whatever you would use for yourself or, the best and cheapest animal one is LifeAid.
48 hours in is no time at all. As long as she is not suffering too much then it should be worth continuing for a while. My buck was on antibiotics for 3 weeks and lived to father the next generation. He too took several days before he made any progress at all.
By: devonfinefibres on August 10, 2012
at 8:17 am
For some reason I can’t get a tube down down her, its like she is closing her throat and I have done it easily many times before. She is still really strong which is a good sign. I’m giving her life aid, the vet told me she needs about 8 litres of fluid in this warm weather, 4 of life aid and 4 of water. This seems like far too much and i’ll never get that amount down her, she is desperately trying to drink by herself but is getting very little as she can only swallow if her head is held fairly high. I will persevere with the drench syringe for now, I don’t want to aggravate her throat trying to get a tube in. Because she can’t eat will the life aid be enough to keep her going, she is absolutely starving and keeps trying to pick at the straw but obviously can’t chew it or anything. Her tummy is really rumbling now, can I give her anything to keep her stomach settled – I don’t want her to get an acid build up or tummy ache on top of everything else. I am determined to try everything I can to keep my girl going, I really appreciate your advice.
By: C Shaw on August 10, 2012
at 10:19 am
I think 8 litres is going some!! If she’s in the shade and not obviously dehydrated then she’s ok with whatever you are managing to get in her. Keep encouraging her to drink and pick at food herself – proves she has the will to live. When she doesn’t do that it might be time to let her go.
My buck spent about 10 days on lifeaid – there’s enough to keep them going if they have some reserves on their body before the illness strikes.
Rumbling is fairly normal – I shouldnt worry. If she’s only having lifeaid there wont be a huge problem. Give her anything else like molasses and you might upset the balance of her gut flora. Certainly my little buck coped on that. I gave him fresh leaves all the time and just waited and hoped each day that he could do something with them. Eventually he did!
One thing – keep turning her onto her other side, and onto her chest etc. If she’s bending her head to one side make sure you prop her straight to avoid muscle contracture. She might get pneumonia. Prop her up a little if necessary. Prevents pressure sores etc.
Good luck!!
By: devonfinefibres on August 10, 2012
at 11:18 am
Hi, need some advice again please. Have spent all afternoon breaking my heart in the pen with my goat, got up to leave and she tried to get up. Stood her up and she tried to drink out of the water bucket. She is now on her legs, wobbly as you like going round in circles but standing, drooling slightly less and not hanging her tonge out. She is exhausted though – if I lie her down she can’t get up again so do I lie her down at bedtime and risk her flailing about trying to get up or do I leaver her up and hope she doesn’t fall? I know there is probably no right answer but please tell me what you would do and i’ll go with that. Thanks. Chloe x
By: C Shaw on August 10, 2012
at 6:31 pm
Bless you – you’ve done well. Both of you. I suggest you stay with her until it starts to get dark. She will naturally want to settle to sleep. Help her to lie down and stay for a few minutes until you are fairly sure she is settled. Prop her in straw or hay bales if she will tolerate it.
Get some sleep on the sofa for a couple of hours then go back and check. Repeat each 2 hours. You are in for a long night but it sounds, just sounds, as though things might be a little brighter.
Keep me posted.
By: devonfinefibres on August 10, 2012
at 7:08 pm
I am very glad to have found this site. I also have a goat, miniature/boer, aged 15 months, suffering with this disease right now. We are on day 2 of syringe feeding, antibiotics, vitamins (B) and an anti-inflammatory that finished this morning…her fever is down from 41 to 39.3, which I take to be a good sign, and she is not “down”, as in she is not lying down, she stands and kind of leans into the fence close to her flock-mates (who are determined to test our fences and have succeeded in getting in with her several times). She cannot eat though and her rumen has stopped doing what it should and she does not look much better than when the vet saw her. I have not given up on her yet but it is very hard to see her obviously unwell. It seems like her chances are okay…but what will she be like when/if she is better? Does the leaning and turning go away? She is obviously depressed in all ways right now, but if she does survive will she be able to live a normal goat life?Thank you for any comments you may leave for me, and thank you for your helpline here!
By: Susan Tutt on August 23, 2012
at 12:00 pm
Hello Susan,
I wish you luck with her. I think the turning should get better as she gets better. My buck would only turn under stress when he was completely better and even that virtually disappeared over a year.He mated 2 years in a row following Listeriosis and was fine.
If the goat’s head is turned permanently to one side then you need to try and straighten it out with a collar. I left one buck who had this and although he was cured his head was permanently turned and could not be righted so he was put down. It soon gets fixed in one position.
By: devonfinefibres on August 23, 2012
at 1:26 pm
Thank you for replying. She seems to have turned for the better yesterday and was moving her jaw enough to chew some leaves from my hand. I have yet to see her this morning but am cautiously hopeful that she will beat the odds. How long should we continue with doses of penicillin? I have read to do so until one day after all syptoms disappear, but that is rather vague. A week with one dose per day after she is eating and drinking? I am worried about gut flora, is it good to give acidophilus or yogurt? Will she be able to breed? Obviously if you are breeding with your buck it is not passed genetically…She seems a bit blind in the eye on the afftected side, does that also go away? So many questions! Thank you:)
By: Susan Tutt on August 25, 2012
at 11:02 am
That’s good news! Remember I’m not a vet so your vet must advise you on dosage etc but certainly here, we continued reducing the regime only very gradually as each stage of improvement caem. So, when she starts eating, give her a couple of days to make sure she is really eating well and then try dropping the dose. If there are no consequences you can reduce again etc. Caution is the watchword. She should breed ok if she recovers. The symptoms of bending and circling might persist under stress for a while but provided her neck is not fixed she should get over it eventuially. Dont sell her on though. Keep her close.
By: devonfinefibres on August 25, 2012
at 11:22 am
Hi Susan, I’ve just lost my Boer Doe after 2 weeks of caring for her. Unfortunately after getting her back from Listeriosis she went into heart failure – vet thinks probably from stress of constant jabbing of drugs. I will share my experience with you and be as much help as I can but if you are not prepared to put your life on hold and provide constant care day and night I would think about having her put to sleep. It really will be a stressful ordeal for you and the goat and the chances of her recovering are not great. My goat started circling, drooling and the right side of her face dropped like she had had a stroke but remained leaning and on her feet for 2 days. She stopped eating but was trying to drink and seemed very thirsty. On day 3 she lay down and her head started to go back against her flank, she managed to get up a couple of times but that was it really for 10 days. Vet gave her an iv steroid injection and I gave her 4ml of penicillin every 6 hours day and night. Even though she couldn’t chew she still had a swallow reflex so I gave her 1 sachet of life aid and 1/3 sachet of pro rumin every day with a teaspoon of bicarbonate of soda. She was quite shivery with her fever so we covered her with a duvet and used one of those aeroplane flight pillows round her neck to stop her head bending round. I turned her over four times a day to stop her getting sore, throughout however she remained bright and kept calling to me when she heard me but didn’t show any signs of improving. On day 5 I started soaking some pony nuts in water and syringing those into her mixed with her life aid and pro rumin. On day 6 I found she had a mouthful of this when I went to check her, she had started cudding again. She also developed an ulcerated eye just after this as her eyelashes on her droopy side had rubbed her eye and it had become very dry so I started using fucithalmic cream and eye drops to stop it drying out. Day 7 and 8 she started improving slowly and getting stronger, still unable to eat by herself but she started moving about and trying to stand. We made her a cradle out of an old deckchair with 4 holes in balanced on two bales of hay so she could dangle her legs and try and get some coordination and strength back in her hind legs particularly. We left her in this for half an hour at a time as it was quite exhausting for her. On day 9 her eye on her droopy side started blinking again and her tongue started to really move in her mouth and she was grinding her teeth and showed some movement in her lips. Lesley told me to keep trying her with rose leaves and she eventually managed to start chewing one that I put on her tongue. From here she improved really quickly and in the space of 24 hours was back on her feet, a little wobbly but not circling particularly. At this point I thought I’d won the battle with her, I dropped her penicillin injections to every 10 hours and fed her small pieces of fresh greens and a little soaked hay as she struggled a little with that but she seemed fine. Vet came and checked her and said she was doing remarkably well. The following day she was still really well in the morning but in the afternoon was breathing really rapidly and hanging her head. Called vet again who thought she was going into heart failure – she lasted about an hour after this but slipped away peacefully. Absolutely gutting to go through all of that and then lose my goat at the end of it. I’m not sure I would do it again, it really is very stressful. Lesley really kept me going and gave me so much good advice. I have kept sheep for years but have only had goats for 18 months and have never seen listeriosis before. I hope you have better luck than I did but you definitely can get through it as long as your goat hasn’t given up already. Maybe you have caught it really early and your goat won’t go down. Good luck though and let us know how you get on. Chloe.
By: C Shaw on August 23, 2012
at 2:58 pm
That’s really awful luck! I’s so sorry. After all that hard work AND apparent success too. She clearly was getting over the Listeriosis but just had heart failure. Maybe she had a congenital heart problem anyway since it’s something British Boers seem particularly prone to becasuse they are so relatively inbred. Poor girl and poor you!
However, she hasn’t died in vain. If you have it again you will know so much more and be in a much better position to help the next one. Catching it as early as poss really is crucial.
By: devonfinefibres on August 23, 2012
at 4:18 pm
Hi Chloe,
Thank you for sharing your story with me, it sounds like quite a journey and a tough one all around. We may have caught the disease earlier as she has remained on her feet, or she has a milder case of it as her head is not always around, it is more that she seems to have a weakened side and will favor it by turning in that direction when stressed. We have been doing the penicillen treatment though not every 6 hours, our vet had us on every 12 hours with a 5cc dose, but we have upped the amount of treatments after so much online reading. We are syringe feeding her with electrolytes and molasses and acidophilus, she is peeing and pooping with some regularity and seems to be gaining strength, and actually ate some leaves out of my hand last night, so I am starting to feel hopeful…but cautiously so, as I see it can change into something else or added symptoms as in your case. Thank you so much for having a big heart to take such care with your animal!
By: Susan Tutt on August 25, 2012
at 10:53 am
Oh thank goodness, I feel so relieved that you seem to be having success. My goat too had a blind eye, make sure she is able to blink else the eye will dry out and will be irrepairable – if not put some human eye drops in just to keep it moist. Vet told me blindness could be cause by swelling against the optic nerve or part of general brain swelling giving confused signals but thought as long as the eye was only cloudy and not completely white there was a chance it would be okay as long as the goat made a good recovery. I did however receive conflicting advice about feeding molasses, one vet told me it would be okay in small amounts as it was a good energy source, the other however said because it is pure sugar it was hard for an empty rumen to deal with and also he said with brain swelling the gland which controls insulin may not be working effectively and you could cause insulin levels to spike. I have no idea really if this could cause you serious problems, if its working for now i’d stick with it personally. Keep up the good work and keep a note of the timescale between all of her improvements so we can use this for reference, i have found this so useful – much better than waiting an age for the vet to call me back.
By: C Shaw on August 25, 2012
at 12:01 pm
A couple more questions for you, as she seems to be making progress, though still not eating much or drinking on her own, though she will eat leaves out of my hand and we have been diligent in offering her many different things to see what she may like…my question is, how long should we keep her quarantined? She is missing her friends and we think she would do better if she could have her social standing as dominant female returned to her, and by joining her flock again she might be more motivated to eat with them (by flock I mean her three goat companions and three sheep pastured together). Is she contagious to the other animals? We are using caution with our kids and ourselves of course, but don’t want to put the other animals at risk. As always, I appreciate your advice and experience!
By: Susan Tutt on August 25, 2012
at 11:33 pm
Hi Susan,
We had a companion for our buck all the way through his illness. The reason for separation was to stop the sick goat being knocked about by the others rather than quanrantine to prevent infection. While transmission is possible I think in practise it would be very difficult. Many of your flock are potentially already excreting it in their dung on a daily basis since it’s a common finding in the GIT of all farm animals (and some humans).
Care for us is wise because we are dealing with the sick animal’s mouth all the time and may get saliva into small unnoticed abrasions. Goats etc are exposed daily to this bacteria which is a very common one in their environment but anything with errupting teeth is the most susceptible because of their slightly raw gums so keep her away from young stock and you have probably done all that’s even vaguely necessary. Do you have a couple of full mouthed goats she could be with for a while? These wont be as vulnerable. Once she is coming down off her antibiotics etc she will become less of a worry.
Hope this helps. For a good background read you could try http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/51400.htm
By: devonfinefibres on August 26, 2012
at 5:13 am
I had my goat quarantined for 2 days and she fretted and made herself much worse. I made her a hurdle pen back in the paddock and she was so much happier. The other goats sensed she was sick and stayed away from her really but she was happier being able to see them. When she died i removed all the straw and burned it and tipped buckets of jeyes fluid over the grass. The smell has kept the animals away from this area and i’m sure the jeyes fluid has killed any surface bacteria.
By: C Shaw on August 26, 2012
at 7:36 am
Susan, how is your goat? I keep checking to see if you have posted.
By: C Shaw on August 31, 2012
at 6:18 am
Amandine seems to have made an almost full recovery…the only visual sign that she is still sick is that she is skinny, and I haven’t actually seen her drink from the water bucket yet, though I rarely see the other goats drink, either! We are still giving her 5cc of depocillin twice daily as per our vet’s instuctions, and some electrolytes at the same time, though much less than previously. She is constantly seeking food, whenever I go to check on her she is eating, and I give her some extra rations of goat meal and minerals. She is bright eyed and regaining her balance, though she has yet to make the jump up to the goat “look-out” that requires both a jump and a balanced landing, but she has looked at it like she’d really like to attempt it. I feel that we have been very fortunate to have had the success with her that we have had, and I appreciate so much the stories and support of this website; a big “merci” from Québec, Canada!
By: Susan Tutt on August 31, 2012
at 9:47 am
This is really good news. Early intervention obviously helped. Sounds like your vet was on the ball. Not always the case! I can’t emphasise enough the need for speed and aggressive treatment. We keep a bottle of Penicillin in the fridge just in case although we don’t use it sometimes until it’s expired! But it is a reassurance policy that we wouldn’t be caught out if we noticed the first signs.
By: devonfinefibres on August 31, 2012
at 10:43 am
Well done, excellent news !
By: C Shaw on August 31, 2012
at 10:00 am
I just lost a fainting goat last Friday….she seemed ok and then i saw her struggling to walk and brought her into barn and treated her with the anitibiotics…she survived for 4 days after I recognized a problem….That Saturday I noticed our alpaca walking a little to the side..He was acting fine…eating drinking would run and then I found him today dead. Do you think this could have been listerois? Does it spread that quickly among the animals? I am concerned because I have 4 other fainting goats in the pasture…I s there any preventative vaccinations you give them? thanks
By: S McGuire on January 30, 2013
at 5:54 am
Oh poor you. That’s tough. The only way you will find out what these 2 animals died from is to have a post mortem. It’s too late now of course but if you have another then get one done. Otherwise you will be working blind. Sudden death like this COULD be Listeriosis but it could also be Clostridial Disease. Only a PM will tell.
By: devonfinefibres on January 30, 2013
at 5:58 am
We are dealing with this with our 1yr old pygmy. she has a weanling but we have since removed him. Two questions: Is the weanling going to get it through her milk? Can we use one syringe if we put the penicillin in then the b so we only have to give one shot?
By: stefanie on January 31, 2013
at 8:52 pm
I suppose the young one may be at risk. Possibly safest to assume so. You she ask your vet. ‘re the one syringe issue, I always use separate syringes if more than one drug is given.
By: devonfinefibres on January 31, 2013
at 9:11 pm
greetings friends,
one of our goats has fully recovered from a bout with listeriosis. her case was pretty severe–she was down for 10 days. in the midst of it, i found this blog. reading your stories and especially about goats who made it was such encouragement. i am just about finished writing her/our story. it’s quite long. i am wondering if you would like me to post the story here, as encouragement to others. let me know.
By: judy on February 17, 2013
at 6:05 pm
Hello Judy – yes by all means. The more we share the better about this horrible disease. Short points perhaps to save space and then people can contact you for more info. Glad the goat made it. A real triumph!
I’ve just had a girl down (not with Listeria but the after effects of Fluke) for 2 weeks, aged 5 years, that I’ve managed to get up and going again. Nursing them is an art which we all learn more about everytime. I know it’s daft to do it in some circumstances – this girl is not worth much – but she’s a life and worth making the effort for. She certainly appreciates my efforts and we are now good friends.
By: devonfinefibres on February 18, 2013
at 5:23 am
ok, a short version:
2nd try! the first try got pretty long!
so, sweet pea, 10 mo old obi/alpine doe, was off grain and running a 104*f fever one day last month.
i started her on an herbal blend, but
by the next day, i came to realize she was fighting listeria.
she ended up being down for 10 days. i’m self employed and was able to put the rest of my life on hold, to be there for her, respond to her changing needs. i suspect that’s what it takes to help a goat pull through this infection.
i used penicillin (penG) along with fortified Bcomplex and lots of herbal support for nourishment, probiotics, electrolytes, anti-oxidents, a thieves oil blend (diluted in a carrier oil, rubbed on the inside of her ears a several times/day), physical and massage therapy. i only had a drenching syringe on hand. no tubing kit or everything i needed to give subQ fluids. i live very rurally and getting stuff shipped in on short notice doesn’t happen. i made due. she was willing and appreciative throughout. i also kept bedding clean around her, so she wouldn’t have to keep laying in her pee, and washed her hind end a couple times/day.
in the midst of it all, i learned that oregano essential oil has been shown to kill the listeria bacteria. penicillin does too–though, lots of goats still die who are given penicillin.
i learned that the smaller molecules of essential oils pass through the blood brain barrier more readily than anti-biotics can. several days into her illness, though her temp had been back to normal for a couple days and she’d seemed to be improving, her head was again pulled to her left flank and her eyes were showing neurological signs. i didn’t know if i was seeing residual effect of the disease or if the bacteria was lurking in her brain and she didn’t have more strength to fight it. in my many years of experience using herbal remedies, i’d never used oregano eo internally. it was a bit of a leap for me, but at this point, i felt like the bacteria was going to win if i didn’t bring out this big gun. i began giving her oregano eo internally. the dose is very small. oregano eo is strong and powerful. the dilution i used was 1 drop of eo to 4 oz tea– and the dose: 3-4 drops per 100lbs body wt. so, 3 drops of eo in 12 oz tea. i drenched her with that 4x/day for several days. within an hour of the first dose, she was holding her head straight again and her eyes were functioning normally.
her improvement has been steady since then. she’s doing great now. regaining strength, balance and confidence daily.
i’ll close this post now. if any of you have questions or need clarification, please feel free to ask.
judy
By: judy on February 20, 2013
at 8:19 pm
oh, and a few more key details: while she was down, she needed to be propped up with straw against a wall, or against the straw bale, she needed to be covered for warmth, and on the third day, we started getting her up and laying her across a straw bale a few times/day to get circulation to her legs and help her maintain muscle memory.
By: judy on February 20, 2013
at 8:45 pm
and, yet a few more key details–in the herbal formulas throughout, i included herbs to clear and protect her liver, as well as herbs for adrenal support to help her cope with the stress. midway through i started in on formula for pain, when she started grinding her teeth (that was a guess–i guessed the teeth grinding was either pain or stress). i also used homeopathic remedies for different types of nerve and muscle pain. toward the end of the first week, i started including qi tonics to help boost her body’s ability to rebuild.
By: judy on February 20, 2013
at 9:58 pm