Posted by: devonfinefibres | October 21, 2008

More on Guilds and age profiles etc

Dorothy, Jayne and Kate have all made good points about the last posting. Dorothy – I think there ought to be a solemn (!) initiation rite involving knitting socks with five needles while eating scone, cream and jam. If they don’t have one already I’ll suggest it to Terry who runs the Tea Shop Knitters! Jayne – what do you do when new members join your Starbucks circle?

Jayne’s point about the skein competition brings up the thorny question of the idiosyncracies of Guilds when it comes to judging work. Now I know we all think our work is wonderful (at least secretly) and we get just the tiniest bit peeved when others don’t see it that way but, when you get judges and knowledgeable bystanders disagreeing dramatically you have to ask why. I wonder what happened in that skein competition? Was there one single judge? Was she well known and respected or not?

I heard of a similar experience recently. A friend had woven a beautiful length of huck lace in natural, slubby cotton and wondered what to do with it . She turned it into a beautful tailored jacket with hand made buttons – fully lined and finished to the highest standard. It was absolutely stunning and I  (and many others)would have been so proud to have made anything half as good. It was the sort of jacket you would wear over a flowery summer dress to a wedding – formal, not  something you would slip on to go out to the shops.

It was entered recently for a small competition and was rejected with a comment that the fabric was not hard wearing and therefore was unsuitable for a jacket. To say I was stunned was an understatement. I was not the only one. It’s not as if you were going to shift goat dung in it or fly helicopters! The cotton was washable and about as robust as flannalette sheeting I would guess from the feel. Criticise something else by all means but this was just inexplicable!

I have no idea who the judge was but I know I would have trouble taking her opinions seriously after that kind of comment. It’s yet another example of the vaguaries of some Guilds. Not all I’m sure but certainly some.

I had a phonecall yesterday from a 15yr old boy who was, by all accounts a very accomplished long draw spinner and an excellent  knitter. He was after some Bowmont fleece since he loves trying new fibre and had heard about it.  We got talking and, while were we enthusing about fibre and textiles generally I was thinking what on earth the Guilds as a collective body could offer this lad. In the end I directed him towards IKNIT in London where Graig Carruthers and Gerard Allt have “men only” evenings for blokes who knit and like to watch football while having a few beers as well! At 15 he’s too young for the beer but it’s the sense of acceptance and commonality which is important particularly at that sort of age. Guilds have enough trouble providing support and welcome for young women so most would not have a clue how to welcome a teenage boy.

I really do think we need to address this issue but I’m not certain the formal Guild structure is the way to do it. Things in these large groupings change so very slowly. Small informal groups have to be the way forward but that requires willing spirits and time. Volunteers anyone?


Responses

  1. Our group is very informal. We belong to an online network of “Meetup” groups which charges a fee. So we charge $2 a meeting and we have a six-month unlimited fee for us “founding mothers”. Any excess goes toward our organizer; she could pay herself for her effort but what she actually does is bring a bunch of trinkets for door prizes when we have a themed meeting.

    We meet in public places where we can hang out for free; people come up to us and ask what we’re doing and we tell them! Anyone can join anytime and pay the $2 for any meeting they attend. Our normal meeting spot is a public atrium in a midtown office buidling. Some people don’t come when the meetup is scheduled in a bar or outdoors or some other place they don’t want to be. (No problem.)

    Kids are more than welcome. Our regular place doesn’t allow “furniture”; wheels would be pushing it so mostle we spindle. (oh, and it is *much* easier to spindle than it is to knit on a crowded commuter train, if only because it is easier to join a broken thread than it is to retrieve dropped stitches, and there’s nothing to count!)

    There’s some kind of law here in New York whereby big new office buildings have to include public spaces. We had a long discussion with some English tourists who told us there’s nothing like that in Londo. I suppose if you have to reserve and pay for a place to meet…

  2. I hope your young knitter gets along with the IKNIT group, sounds like a good starting place. It’s an interesting problem however.

    When I was seriously into cycling in my early 20s I remember having to search around for a cycling club which had other women members. One club I never went back to the welcome was “oh good, about time we had some women in this club”. Ah. I’d not mind being the only one BUT I did mind being treated like something exotic.

    I love what Jayne says about new buildings in New York having public spaces. Wonderful! Sadly I can’t imagine it catching on in the UK. Lack of public spirit.

    Later on, I didn’t stay in the local Amenity Society long because they were all over retirement age and very defensive when faced with someone in their 30s: it was like being expected as a child to be “seen and not heard”. Young faces welcome, young voices not!!

    I’m sure the same problem may arise for men with WSD Guilds – if you meet up with other people out of common interest, you don’t want to be treated as “different”.

    I’m in the Alsager Guild, and find them a friendly and busy group for all ages, there are no cliques and no ageist comments. Possibly because it’s a small and expanding Guild, about half the members least seem to have joined in the last 2 years. The age range is from 20s to 70s. Men tend to be husbands / partners, but I’m sure that male WSDs would fit in fine.

  3. Although I’ve been spinning and dyeing since the eighties, I never joined a Guild, partly because, as a man, I thought I may be in a minority of one. I was encouraged to discover at least two male spinners when I visited a York Guild open day, and they urged me to become a member of the local Guild in Sheffield. I suppose it’s because I imagined that the meetings might be like the Mothers Union/WI that I still didn’t join.

    In March this year, I joined the Online Guild. What a wonderful group! Even though (with a few exceptions, at Woolfest) I have only ‘met’ members by exchanging email messages, I feel as though I know them. Age is of no consequence (I believe we’re all twenty something!). The breadth of members’ combined knowledge of all things textile is staggering, and everyone is so willing to share their expertise without making you feel stupid for not knowing.

    When I joined, one member welcomed me with the comment “its nice to have another man join” but, unlike Dot with the cycling club, I didn’t feel exotic, but pleased that I wasn’t thought strange for engaging in what is mainly a woman’s hobby.

    So many young people today don’t engage in a creative pastime, those that do need to be encouraged. I’m sure that the young lad would feel welcome in the Online Guild and benefit from the exchange of ideas and sheer enthusiasm of its membership. And he wouldn’t even have to reveal his age – he would be twenty-something as well!

    Kev.
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  4. Kevin you are absolutely right! I’m in the OLG as well and find it a fantastic medium. It’s particularly useful for those of us who are isolated either by geography, or perhaps by our sex. I recommend it at every opportunity and did mention it to this young man so with luck he might find his way there.


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